Electric Arc Furnace Electrode Size and AC to DC Conversion

21 Jul.,2025

 

Electric Arc Furnace Electrode Size and AC to DC Conversion

Everyone, I posted here last time i had a project and got a lot of good experience from everyone and this time i'd like some more. If everyone could be so kind.


The Problem:

We are a 35MW electric arc furnace. Our arc furnace transformer is 45MVA 13.8kv to 800V secondary. We use 18" electrodes running about 30-35,000 amps with a online tap changer from 500-800V. We are having issues buying electrodes in the 18" range and are thinking of running 24" electrodes, they are significantly cheaper and more available.

We control the current via how much we dip the electrodes into the scrap/metal. Changing from 18" to 24" will significantly change how we arc, and throttle our current. It will also change how hot the electrodes get. What i am afraid of is that we will reduce the resistance and allow for higher current spikes to hit our transformer thus damaging it. I am also afraid of the electrode not responding correctly as it will be significantly under powered. I know that this entire system was engineered to be this way but in order to keep doors open we are looking at all avenues.

Another road I would also like to consider is switching our furnace from AC to DC. This would go from 3 electrodes to 1. The reduction of electrode surface area would reduce our electrode consumption as oxidation is our biggest waste. I know several furnaces have switched in the past, but i don't know what benefits it has for them or even if its worth it for us.

Anyway just peoples thoughts on electrode size change and/or AC to DC Arc Furnace conversion.


PS:

I understand that these projects cost a lot of money but at the moment this is brain storming and there are no stupid ideas!:thumbsup:
how long are the electrodes?
what is the gap electrode to electrode (anode?)
since you can regulate v 500-800 won't that keep i ~ the same?

what is the resistivity of the media?

ac-dc
you need to do a cost analysis
cost of rectifiers + elec losses due to conversion - electrode savings (material and labor)
will dc use more, less or the same power as ac?


Thanks for the great questions!

how long are the electrodes?

I am looking at how long 24" vs 18" electrodes are, we have limited head room above our furnace but atm someone else is working on that problem. If your asking how long our entire stick length is, it's roughly 15' from the gripper to the puddle.

what is the gap electrode to electrode (anode?)

The gap between phases would have to change and the entire electrode holder assembly would have to change. In fact we would also need a new roof to our furnace as the new electrodes wouldn't fit. Currently i believe there is 14" between phases and we would design it to be the same in the new system.

since you can regulate v 500-800 won't that keep i ~ the same?

Changing the voltage is like changing a tap on a transformer, we can operate it online but we have limited operations until it needs to be serviced. So its not infinitely variable, normally we pick 3 or so taps and change between them. We vary the resistance to control the current by lowering or raising the electrodes into our out of the scrap/metal puddle.


what is the resistivity of the media?

it changes as the scrap melts and we vary it to control the current, by dipping or raising the electrodes.



will dc use more, less or the same power as ac?

Everything i have read says that DC is 5% more efficient than AC. It also uses far less electrodes. But yes it seems to be much more expensive conversion. I believe its more efficient as it is sending the arc down into the metal instead arcing 3 phases on top of the puddle.
Also shutting down the facility and putting over 300 people out of work would also negatively impact performance.

Not a nice situation, I know as I’ve been there. Not an arc furnace but an induction furnace. For three months I’d been looking for an intermittent earth fault on an earth free system. When I found it I wished I hadn’t, metal was seeping through the refractory on to the coil. All the production guys laid off for a week while us maintenance lads were working overtime to get the damned thing going.

Two guesses who got the blame for it? I’d redesigned the furnace control system about three years before therefore it was my fault. Not a stigma you want to carry with you. Back to the original topic, are you wanting a single DC electrode or to use the original three? I would guess a single electrode.

One of the subjects I had the misfortune to study at college was control of the AC arc (about as interesting as watching paint dry). From reading this topic you’ve jogged one of the remaining brain cells left.

A DC arc will create a more intense cathode (melting) pool but it will be localised. Also a single electrode will erode faster.

We’re down to pure theory and I’m not confident with my answers. As in my last post, you could end up as the pariah, are your shoulders broad enough to take the responsibility?

Inductotherm (US) refused to have anything to do with our furnace after I altered the control system. All I did was install a PLC.
Spikes, I've worked on hydraulics for electrode control systems in 7 mills of 4 companies. None of these companies re-engineered designs themselves. All had a furnace manufacturer involved for any significant modification.

I suggest you approach the furnace manufacturer's sales/engineering staff. The preliminary evaluation from one who knows your equipment won't likely cost much.


I am talking with them now about it. I think in 5-10 years a DC furnace would make more sense with batteries to level out our energy use. Right now we are looking at changing from 18" to 20" or 24" electrodes as they are much more common. We normally use UDHP electrodes and may could get away with a cheaper 20-24" one and just run less current is the thought.
there are no stupid ideas!

You said the 24" electrodes are cheaper than the 18" Is that just due to standardization?

How about cutting the 24 ft to length, chucking in a big lathe and turning to 18" dia ?

I was at an auction that had a big old 20 foot by 3 foot ship prop shaft lathe that sold for $150.00, way less than scrap price! Way too big for most folks, cost a few K$ more than scrap price to move.

Carbon easy to cut, visualize even building a big lathe to just turn carbon ? Even a woodmizer bandsaw or something to cut the 24" down to 18"


Yes about 40% of the market or more use 24" electrodes. 18" are very rare for an arc furnace. Thus us having the issue finding them.

Yes we have turned down 20-24" electrodes to 18" to keep running, but it wastes about 50% of the material. So that we can buy 20-24" at half the cost, its all wasted by the time we turn them down.
PS; was curious about sources, prices, etc, so took a quick look at alibaba.

e.g. https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...ml?spm=a..main07.10.2cd85bc9G32XUs


So, maybe the non-standard 18" is 100K for 20 tons, and the 24" is only 60K for 20 tons. Turning down 24" to 18" boosts the cost from $60K to $106/useful ton ? I have zero familiarity with electric furnace operating costs, so may be a non-workable approach. I'm guessing that the graphite electrode use per ton of steel may be lower for 24" vs. 18" also, so staying with (or going to) 24" electrodes has other economic benefits ?

Out of curiosity, what were the originalplant design trades that led to 18" vs. 24" originally, or even 32"?



Our furnace is a small diameter and also small Ton furnace about 55-60 tons. Thus a bigger diameter electrodes will take more space in the center and will be closer to the out side walls. We can vary the arc length by changing the online tap changer and regulate the voltage. But still the electrodes can melt the walls if we are not carefully. Luckily we have expanded our furnace by 2' with the last upgrade so this might not be as much of a problem.

Last year electrodes were about $1 per pound, this year 18" electrodes are anywhere from $6 to $12... considering we use over a million pounds a year this is a big deal.

Electrical Arc Furnace : 7 Steps (with Pictures) - Instructables

An electric arc furnace is a type of furnace that heats up materials using a very high current. The rods (which are made of graphite for its semi-conductive properties) heat up and create a plasma that can be directed to melt metals. Although electrical arc furnaces (EAFs) are reliant on large amounts of electricity, it is fairly cheap and in certain circumstances, cheaper than using carbon fuels. In this instructable, I'll be showing you how to make a DIY EAF (acronyms galore) with materials you can find at home or at the very least, a local hardware store. Be aware that this is very dangerous and should be dealt with extreme caution and awareness of said dangers, which are very likely to be life-threatening.
This idea was based off a multitude of things and sources:
1) My innate (but unfortunate) tendency to end up electrocuting myself
2) Having knowledge about resistivity and all that is included
3) This video:

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4) And most importantly, these videos

Quite a few pictures were taken directly from Mr. Thompson's videos, as his videos are very clear and concise, and we opted to use them over our own pictures. However, the procedure is practically the same and any differences are noted.

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As always, you'll want to gather up the materials and tools for the job. You will need everything listed below. Some of the materials can be subject to change depending on how you want to build your furnace, but I specifically used the following. This project deals with high voltage and current, as well as extremely bright electrical arcs, please take caution when building and using this. Basic tools like a handsaw and power tools will be used, which will require safety precautions. So first and foremost, grab a pair of safety glasses, some insulated gloves, a weldingmask and get to the workshop.

What You Need:

The Arc Welder
- 10-14 ft of 8 gauge stranded copper wiring (coated)
- 1x Microwave transformer (scrapped from a microwave that was thrown out)
- At least 2x 6V heavy duty lantern batteries
- 2x Vice grips
- A foot of copper tubing (half-inch diameter )
- 2x Half inch hose clamps
- A roll of electrical tape
- Miscellaneous pieces of wood (2x4's work fine)
- A Variable AC/DC Power Supply or source of power ( watts of power is about the minimum amount of energy required to sustain an arc, and about 100A if you plan to just use current to make a metal melter)

The Furnace
- 1x Aluminum silicate or fireclay refractory brick (note that it should be a soft material in order to allow for easy cutting)
- Machinery and power tools to cut the brick
- Power drill
- Drill press
- Round file
- Filter mask and safety goggles (you DO NOT want to inhale or get the dust in your eyes)

Approximate Cost of Project:

The fun thing about DIY projects is that you can scavenge most of the parts from other things or find them laying around your home. For this project, the only thing we actually bought was a pair of vice grips and 14ft of copper wire. However, if you don't have any of this we have included the approximate price of it all.
$7 of 8 gauge (AWG) stranded copper wire (usually runs for $0.49 a foot)
$8 for a two-pack of 6V lantern batteries
$10 for a pair of small vice grips
$2 for a pair of hose clamps for the vice grips
$1 for about a foot of copper pipe
$10 a roll of electrical tape
$14 for a 9"x4.5"x2.5" refractory (firebrick) aluminum silicate brick

The microwave transformer can be salvaged from a broken microwave (assuming it's not the transformer that is broken of course) for free. There really isn't another way to get these without making a special parts order or buying a new microwave to tear it out (which is a waste, please don't do that). As for the miscellaneous wood, we haven't counted it, as anything will work as a base plate and the jig can be made with anything you want as long as it fits the dimensions. The variable power supply can range anywhere from $30 to a couple hundred dollars depending on the quality and size. We fortunately already had a few in our workshops (either built-in or stand-alone) so we did not need to buy them. Please note that you will need this to safely (at least comparatively) operate this arc welder/EAF.

Total: ~$52, excluding electricity, labor, time, and tools to build.

The first and hardest part of the project is the actual arc welder component of the EAF. Be prepared to fully use clamps, vice clamps, and a bit of brute strength.

The first step is to take your microwave transformer and remove the top part of the contraption. Pry out the two copper coils and magnetic shunts (the metal pieces that separate the primary coil from the secondary coil). The primary coil is the one with the thicker wiring and the two tabs on it. This is the piece that we will need, so take great care when handling it. And make sure that the insulating pieces of paper do not get stripped off. Then, clean out the iron core/shell of the transformer. Replace the primary coil, but place the tabs/terminals facing down.

Build a wooden “I” shape with the center having the same width (where the core drops into the hole) as the center of the transformer shell. The length of the "I" block should overhang the core by ⅛” on each side. and the height should be less than ⅛” below the height between the primary coil and the top of the iron core. The top and bottom plates of the jig can be screwed on, but we advise using glue as the jig is so small that splitting of the wood is very common (we tried twice before resorting to glue). Place a rectangular piece of paper on each side of the center.

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This part is what gives the transformer a bit more "oomf" to it. Also, it allows us to hook it up to our leads to create an arc.

After cleaning out the transformer is done with, and creating an "I" block, place this block into a bench vice and wind your 8 gauge wire around your contraption how many wires high as you can and then repeat for however many layers outward (easier said than done, trust us). Fold the paper over the wiring and tape the sides shut (please do this, it's an integral part of keeping it all together.) Remove the top of the “I” and pull out your wiring in one piece. Tape your wiring so it retains its shape for extra measure.


Place your new secondary coil back into the shell with the wire ends facing out in the opposite direction of the first coil. Replace the lid of your shell that you cut off and glue on with epoxy* or a very strong adhesive.

*Beware, as certain two part epoxies may react with metal and cause possible problems. Make sure the epoxy is safe for metal.

Now we'll start to build the leads that will strike the high current arc used to melt metal. In our case, we can also use our battery parts as the metal to melt.

First, open up your 6V battery, most likely with some pliers, wire cutters or whatever may be at your disposal. After that, cut the wires connecting them and pull out the centers of 4 cells to get 4 carbon rods. Clean out the zinc casings and use a bench vice to crush them. We'll be able to melt the zinc casings with it. Save this for later.

Strip about 2” from the wiring of your new transformer. Cut 4 pieces of 1” copper piping and place the transformer's wires into them and crimp the pieces together to create a makeshift lug by sticking the unsqueezed side of the copper pipe and squeeze them shut. Cut 2x 2ft pieces of wire from the leftover 8 gauge copper wire, and strip 2" (from each end) off them as well. Repeat the crimping of the copper piping. Attach the other stripped end to the vice grips using hose clamps. Use electrical tape to secure and insulate the handle areas for extra measure.

Safety: For safety reasons, try to work with only one hand because current can travel through your hands and across your heart with the potential to kill you. You can make a separate rig that holds one of the leads in place in order to accomplish this.

This is easily the ... well, the easiest part of the project. Just make sure to wear safety goggles and a mask for this, to prevent inhalation of the dust.

Cut brick widthwise into three equal 3” pieces (or 3" from each side and then the 4” mark if you have a 9x4.5x3" block). This should make two furnaces either way. Take the utmost care with the bricks, as they are extremely brittle. For our furnace, we used the middle 3" piece and split it heightwise to provide lids for each furnace brick. If you split the brick into 4 pieces, then the smallest pieces should serve as the lids for the pieces.
Use a 2” forstner bit or a regular circular bit to drill roughly two inches deep into the center of the larger bricks. Empty out the chamber and either file or drill holes on the top of the walls for the electrode leads.

On a side you haven’t drilled a hole into, drill another one at an angle to meet with the bottom of the chamber. On the lids, drill two ⅜” holes into the side one inch from each of the ends. This is a place to put the electrodes into, especially when they're extremely hot.

Finally, connect a power supply (on AC) to the terminals/tabs on the primary coil. With that, you're ready to start operating the EAF. Just make sure to put on a welding mask and wearing insulated gloves. Electrical arcs also emit very intense UV rays, so wearing long sleeved clothing is beneficial to your health. Always include proper safety equipment in case anything goes wrong. Otherwise, happy metal melting!

To improve this project, we should have realized that the dimensions of transformers and the amount of wire needed also varies. Our secondary coil could only fit 5 wires high and 3 wires out, while another transformer may fit 6 wires high. The videos make winding the wire seem a lot more simple than how it really went (with blood, sweat and tears). More safety precautions and some sort of case or cover for the EAF could be implemented. Another important factor is that the EAF can only run for about 2-4 minutes tops, whereas any longer would result in the electrical tape and rubber insulation completely melting from the intense heat. Furthermore, the carbon rods end up deteriorating after continued use.

Footnote: Our project failed to work, as we made our tolerances on the "I" block too small, and upon replacing the new secondary coil, we scraped off the insulated coating and exposed the copper wire to the laminated iron shell of the transformer (which is a huge problem for obvious reasons). Another possible issue is due to the sharp corners of the iron core, which also cut into the coating. We will be attempting to redo and replace the secondary coil, and possibly try to file/round the sharp edges. However, the procedure has been fixed for this instructable and should work as intended. We are submitting this for a school project, and plan to complete this and make it functional within the next week or two. We'll be posting an update of the testing soon (with a video).

Other information:
The electrodes (Carbon/Graphite rods) had a resistance of about 3Ω, and our "failed" transformer had a voltage input of about 5V and an output of 0.1V. However, we found some cuts on the insulation of the secondary coil and opted not to test further due to the definite chance of a short circuit from the coils to the iron shell.

If you have any suggestions, criticism, or concerns, please let us know in the comments. Enjoy!

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